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		<title>World Vision dinner</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We ate well despite eating simply on Sunday night didn&#8217;t we?! (who knew rice and veggies could go down so well?!) Hope you&#8217;ll agree it was a good thing to do together for the sake of considering how blessed we are, while serving those with much less, in Jesus&#8217; name. Thanks for your generosity; $176 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We ate well despite eating simply on Sunday night didn&#8217;t we?! (who knew rice and veggies could go down so well?!) Hope you&#8217;ll agree it was a good thing to do together for the sake of considering how blessed we are, while serving those with much less, in Jesus&#8217; name.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.worldvision.com.au/Issues/Emergencies/Current_Emergencies/Pakistan_Floods.aspx"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://trans.worldvision.com.au/shared/img/homepage/FAP_Pakistan_footer.png" alt="Pakistan Floods Emergency Appeal" width="458" height="88" /></a></p>
<p>Thanks for your generosity; $176 was raised, and combined with excess dinner money accumulated over previous weeks, we&#8217;ll be able to give at least $200 to World Vision&#8217;s Pakistan floods appeal. If you&#8217;d like to read more about what World Vision is doing to help, or donate online if you didn&#8217;t manage to on Sunday, <a href="http://www.worldvision.com.au/Issues/Emergencies/Current_Emergencies/Pakistan_Floods.aspx" target="_blank">here&#8217;s</a> the place to go.</p>
<p>Praise God for the many organisations (like <a href="http://trans.worldvision.com.au/default.aspx" target="_blank">World Vision</a>, <a href="http://www.tear.org.au/" target="_blank">TEAR</a>, <a href="http://www.opendoors.org.au/" target="_blank">Open Doors</a>, <a href="http://www.gospelforasia.org.au/" target="_blank">GFA</a>) &#8211; especially the many founded by Christians &#8211; that make it possible for us to be involved in giving aid to those who most need it.</p>
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<div id="_mcePaste">&#8220;Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?&#8221;</p>
<p>The expert in the law replied, &#8220;The one who had mercy on him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jesus told him, &#8220;Go and do likewise.&#8221;</p>
<p>Luke 10:36-37</p>
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		<title>How much should I give?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Sunday, one of the questions in the Q &#38; A session was about tithing and giving in general. Instead of reinventing the wheel (and because she writes better than I do), I&#8217;ll post something Keiyeng wrote a few years ago for the SLE blog on this exact same topic. &#8230;. There&#8217;s a few ideas or [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Sunday, one of the questions in the Q &amp; A session was about tithing and giving in general. Instead of reinventing the wheel (and because she writes better than I do), I&#8217;ll post something Keiyeng wrote a few years ago for the SLE blog on this exact same topic.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">&#8230;.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a few ideas or things you may have been taught about giving along the course of your Christian life. One might be the concept of<strong>&#8216; Tithing&#8217;</strong>, which has its origins in the Old Testament Law given to God&#8217;s people (the Israelites) through Moses. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=numbers%2018;&amp;version=31;">Tithing</a> was where God&#8217;s people gave 10% of everything they owned (whether money, crops, animals, cloth etc) to God by giving it for the use of the priestly Levite tribe. The male Levites&#8217; job as Priests in God&#8217;s Temple disallowed them from working at anything else to earn money or possessions, so they needed these to be given to them. In God&#8217;s magnificent, logical, and orderly wisdom, He arranged that the Levites&#8217; daily needs should be provided for by the other 11 tribes&#8217; tithes.</p>
<p><strong>So what about us in the New Testament? Is tithing (giving 10% of our money, goods, and possessions) still the way to go?</strong></p>
<p>The question behind the question here is to what extent are New Testament believers bound to obey the Old Testament Law? This is a huge question with a big answer that&#8217;s hard to reduce into a few paragraphs. But I&#8217;ll try!</p>
<p>Historically, there are two positions that give the extreme answers to this question &#8211; ie. &#8216;not at all&#8217; (Dispensationalism) and &#8216;fully&#8217; (Theonomy). And here I&#8217;ll do some quoting from the contemporary Old Testament scholar, Tremper Longman III (!):</p>
<blockquote><p>One finds a tendency in dispensationalist writing to distinguish between the OT as a time when God worked through law and the NT as a period of grace. &#8230; [Schofield's] view &#8230; cannot help but lead to a minimalisation of the law, a disregard for the OT law as such. It does not, as Bruce Waltke points out, take into account Paul&#8217;s assertion that the law is &#8220;holy and right and good&#8221; (Rom 7:12).</p>
<p>&#8230; On the other hand, the school of thought that goes by the name theonomy &#8230; argues that the OT laws and penalties are still in effect today. &#8230; In brief, theonomy&#8217;s approach to the law is to take Jesus&#8217; words seriously, dogmatically, and literally. &#8230; Strict continuity is assumed between the Old and New Testaments. Theonomists believe that it is the job of government to enforce OT law, which thereby becomes a blueprint for contemporary society.</p>
<p>[Making Sense of the Old Testament: Three Crucial Questions, Tremper Longman III, p105-106]</p></blockquote>
<p>Longman&#8217;s (and our) view is that there are distinct points of <em>Continuity AND Discontinuity</em> between Old and New Testaments. So, when it comes to NT believers&#8217; obedience to the Law (or not), we have to understand what these points are. Here&#8217;s where this post could seriously blow out so at risk of being too brief, this is a summary based on Longman&#8217;s [p108-123] -</p>
<p>All OT Case Law (laws that concern specific situations) is an outflow, or <em>application of </em>the Ten Commandments to the specific situations of the Old Testament people of God.</p>
<p>Jesus himself upheld (and extended the scope and application of) the Ten Commandments in his teaching, so we must uphold them.</p>
<p>Jesus also perfectly summarised the essence of the Ten Commandments (and their accompanying case laws) in the two greatest commandments in Mark 12:29-31 -</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The most important one,&#8221; answered Jesus, &#8220;is this: &#8216;Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.&#8217; The second is this: &#8216;Love your neighbour as yourself.&#8217; There is no commandment greater than these.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The relevant &#8216;case law&#8217; (or application of the Ten / two Greatest Commandments to <em>our </em>specific situations) inevitably looks hugely different for us (Christians in the 21st Century) compared with the OT / God&#8217;s nation of Israel before Christ.</p>
<p>The New Testament provides &#8216;case law&#8217; for New Testament believers, exemplified in Jesus&#8217; and the apostles&#8217; teaching about what pleases God.</p>
<p>Instead of obeying the case law of the OT, we obey the &#8216;case law&#8217; (or commands) of the NT, both of which are expressions / applications of the Ten Commandments / two Greatest Commandments <em>contextualised for the stage of redemption-history at hand</em>.</p>
<p>Neither the Israelites nor we can obey God&#8217;s commands to earn salvation. Rather we obey Him to please Him because He has saved us.</p>
<p><strong>So, back to tithing! Do we give 10%, more, or less? </strong></p>
<p>The NT &#8216;case law&#8217; on giving doesn&#8217;t specify percentages, but rather, attitude. Paul teaches Jesus&#8217; followers (that&#8217;s us!) to give generously. To illustrate this he gave the Macedonian Christians props for urgently pleading with the apostles for the privilege of giving! He motivated generosity on the basis of Jesus&#8217; generous giving to us. And he taught that God both enables and affirms our generosity when it&#8217;s enacted for Him. (read it all in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20cor%208-9&amp;version=31">2 Corinthians 8-9</a>)</p>
<p>Back to the 10%. We personally think there&#8217;s lots of merit for letting 10% be a minimum figure rather than a maximum. If the NT teaching is &#8216;generosity&#8217;, then the whole point is that we seek to out-give ourselves, rather than scrimp! But having said this, because 10% is not a NT command, NT believers have freedom in Christ to give less &#8211; particularly if and when circumstances necessitate it. (Beware using this as a cop-out though!)</p>
<p><strong>I&#8217;ll finish with a fantastic summary borrowed from David Cook at BLT in January 2008.</strong></p>
<p>In the Old Testament, it was 1 in 12 (tribes who were consecrated to serve God as His priests). In the New Testament, it is 12 in 12. As Christians, we are ALL made holy to serve God as His priests (mediators) to the non-Christian world, as a constant, never-retired-from vocation.</p>
<p>In the Old Testament, it was 1 in 7 (days consecrated as holy to the Lord to remember and honour Him). In the New Testament, it is 7 in 7. All our days and times are His; we remember, serve, and honour Him with all of what we do on all our days &#8211; both at work and at rest.</p>
<p>In the Old Testament, it was 10% (of money and possessions given back to God). In the New Testament, it is 100%. All of our money and possessions belong to God; we are merely stewards of His resources. We are to use ALL of it to serve and glorify Him; all of it is holy and to be used in God-honouring ways &#8211; whether given in offering, given away to the poor, invested for His kingdom &#8211; not ours! &#8211; or spent in enjoying His Creation-gifts with thankfulness.</p>
<blockquote><p>Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work. (2 Corinthians 9:6-8)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>books and papers</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been tidying up piles of books and papers most of the day which is wonderful if you value being able to see the study floor (which I do).  It&#8217;s not so good though for one&#8217;s sentimentalism, but I&#8217;m practising being ruthless &#8230; somewhat. One thing not to be ruthless about is the Compassion appeal [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been tidying up piles of books and papers most of the day which is wonderful if you value being able to see the study floor (which I do).  It&#8217;s not so good though for one&#8217;s sentimentalism, but I&#8217;m practising being ruthless &#8230; somewhat.</p>
<p>One thing not to be ruthless about is the <a href="http://www.compassion.com.au/" target="_blank">Compassion</a> appeal letters we have sprinkled around the house.  Today I read two of them.  The stories contained are so heart-breaking it is easier simply not to consider them deeply.  A quick scan is enough to take in the horror of the world&#8217;s poverty, and &#8216;protects&#8217; me from a sense of helplessness at the enormity of it all.</p>
<p>But I have to be careful don&#8217;t I, not to shut off completely.  It&#8217;s one thing to be sentimental and quite another to be sensitive, to put on the mind of our Lord Jesus in responding to the least and the lost of his world.</p>
<p>The story of the family in Bangladesh, reduced to rading rat&#8217;s holes for the rice ferretted from the fields, shocked me into <a href="https://www.compassion.com.au/donation.asp" target="_blank">action</a> &#8211; as I hope it might do for you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m only sorry these appeal letters have lain buried for weeks &#8211; in our piles of books and papers, testament to the wealth with which we&#8217;ve been blessed <em>so </em>we can be a blessing to others&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will <em>abound </em><em>in every good work</em>.</p>
<p>2 Corinthians 9:8</p></blockquote>
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